When to Set the Hook?????

[ellicat]

For bait, the answer is circle hooks. Don't "strike", just apply pressure and if the weight stays on give a bit of a slow/medium jerk to complete the piercing.

[Dan23]

Simon Harmon wrote:

Terry,

Since when are casted baits a long way out, without the use of a slide etc?

He's talking about deployed baits for sharking. They paddle them a few hundred metres out.

Edit: My bad apparently he wasn't

I'll stay out of it.

[Terry H]

Simon, experienced surf fisherman/women can easily cast over 100m. Again, I don't expect EMP to be doing this as he has just started fishing, but I'm just saying that they can cast a long way.

Malcom hit the nail on the head, so to speak, My comment was relative to what sort of fishing EMP would be doing. In this case, I would imagine fairly casual 'regular' bait fishing, and maybe some lure fishing in the near future.

So a long way out is a good hurl with the rod as opposed to dropping it in closer like you would fishing with lures.

[Bommie]

kevinchen19870316 wrote:

one thing we all agree is not to strike during the nibbles and short runs.

not with large whiting (using yabbies)

[kevinchen19870316]

and not with tiny baits trying to catch 5cm bream. lol

[Simon Harmon]

Terry, I’m well aware of that. However, even at a distance of 100m, most light monofilament lines will still respond well. Only in heaver lines, does stretch become a problem. If you weren’t thinking shark fishing in your original post, then I can’t see the point of in you having posted it.

For all others interested, have a look at the link below. These guys regulary cast up to 180m.

[Simon Harmon]

Obone,

For hooking the smaller Bullies, give the owner SSW in-line circle hooks a go. Try them in a 6/0. The best thing about these circles is that they don’t require any sort of specialised rigging. Rig the bait as per normal and off you go. Should solve your problems with hooking them!

Cheers,

Simmo

[Terry H]

Simon, I would say it also depends on the brand and type of monofilament. I have felt some 15-30lbs mono have a considerable amount of stretch in them.

The low-stretch monofilament is a different story though:)

The point was just that I personally think that on a good long cast, you need to give it a tug back on the rod. Nothing over the top, just a light pull back.

[Simon Harmon]

Terry,

Can’t see why you couldn’t simply state that in the first place, without talking about big hooks etc.

[Terry H]

I would think a bigger hook needs a little more force than a smaller hook for a hook up. That's why I mentioned big hooks.

[Simon Harmon]

In most cases, that would appear to be correct Terry. However, circle hooks, which require no yanking on the line at all, set much easier than J’s of similar measurements. So, in reality, that’s not always the case.

[Dan23]

How do the circle hooks work? To they turn back in or something so that's why you don't need to strike?

[MichaelJ]

when pressure is applied with them they roll into the corner of the fish's mouth because at the tip of the hook its pointing back inwards

[Dan23]

Thanks,

I just realised that's the type of hook I normally use for livies anyway.

[MichaelJ]

this is a circle hook

[img size=250]http://www.australianfishing.com.au/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/images/39960D_20250.jpg

[pinkey]

ouch

[brisbane_boy]

rob and i used to use them for bull shakrs with 100lb mono trace. worked a treat.

[Feral]

I use the Big mouth Mustads when bait fishing, instead of just the barb turning back, the whole base of the hook turns back , the barb is still straight, but points at the eye of the hook.

They are brilliant, I've probably caught more than 1000 bass on them, and never gut hooked one. Closest thing to a problem is when the barb goes through the roof of the mouth near the eye, but that is pretty rare, and would probably happen with any hook.

Mustads Version

Gamakatsu's Version (Shiner)

I prefer the Gamakatsu, but they are not stocked by many, and are a fair bit dearer. So mainly use the Mustads - The reason I like the Gamakatsu's better is the eye is bigger, easier to thread the line for old eyes!

[kevinchen19870316]

i have got some of those big mouth ones and the trick is not to strike. if i do, i will miss most hits.

[benno573]

obone wrote:

I'm still having troubles hooking bloody bullies :S

There are some Asian guys near me that consistently catch heaps, and they say just to leave it until it hooks itself rather striking at all?

Joel

let it run with the bait for a while then do your drag up and hold the rod tight and reasonable straight up so it can bend (i.e. don't point it at the fish). let the motion of the shark swimming and the flex and strength of the rod set the hook. any cirlce hook is good. i think mine are shogun "tuna circle" 8/0's and they work really well. also - if your hook is sharp, sharpen it again. and then once more. makes life so easy.

[kevinchen19870316]

i always let the fish run and give a good strike when targeting big fish (big bream, sharks, rays...) and especially whent he hook's small compared to the size of the bait.

but when using circle hooks, u'll find a strike will usually pull the hook out of fish mouth so just slowly life the rod and u will get a beautiful hook up

[username_taken]

I always find the best time to set the hook is when it's in the fishes mouth.

[Cowfish13]

Interesting theary

How has that worked out for you?

[EMP]

Instead of creating a new thread, I thought I should just dig this up and resurrect a bit.

When using a float, when do you pull the line up, reel it back in? Does the float have to be completely under water for a few seconds or does it have to be visibly moving before reeling in?

Thanks heaps, everyone.

EMP

[Cowfish13]

Basically when it starts moving continuously. This could include going under for a bit, being dragged around or a combo of both:)

[EMP]

Cowfish13 wrote:

Basically when it starts moving continuously. This could include going under for a bit, being dragged around or a combo of both:)

Thanks, Cowfish.

So, it has to be "continuously" , that is, if it stops moving chances are there is no hook up?

[Cowfish13]

Yeap. Pretty much. I havn't done much fishing with floats, but usually you can tell when they are holding it or just pecking at the bait

[jeff f]

in still water when the float starts moving count to 3 and strike

in rough water when it goes under count to three and strike

[EMP]

jeff f wrote:

in still water when the float starts moving count to 3 and strike

in rough water when it goes under count to three and strike

Hey Jeff F, this is actually for the mullet.

I've been told by a reliable source (Rocket) that you have an interesting method of catching mullet? It's hard to get them to bite and when they do, I lose them 1 meter from the bank.

[jeff f]

take a piece of elastic about 15 cm long and tie it into a circle

to the circle tie four short(10-15cm) lengths of line with #6 suicide hooks bait the hooks with a small(1cm square)pieces of white cloth

take a slice of white bread and fold it into quarters and secure it with the elastic ring

you cast it out and the slice of bread attracts the mullet and they attack it eventually smashing it up and causing a bit of a feeding frenzy

the mullet grab the pieces of white cloth thinking its a bit of bread and get hooked

works best in still water

[EMP]

jeff f wrote:

take a piece of elastic about 15 cm long and tie it into a circle

to the circle tie four short(10-15cm) lengths of line with #6 suicide hooks bait the hooks with a small(1cm square)pieces of white cloth

take a slice of white bread and fold it into quarters and secure it with the elastic ring

you cast it out and the slice of bread attracts the mullet and they attack it eventually smashing it up and causing a bit of a feeding frenzy

the mullet grab the pieces of white cloth thinking its a bit of bread and get hooked

works best in still water

Thanks Jeff.

Another concern is how to make sure the mullet doesn't get away. Oh well, I can live with it......

Thanks again, everyone.

[jeff f]

EMP wrote:

jeff f wrote:

take a piece of elastic about 15 cm long and tie it into a circle

to the circle tie four short(10-15cm) lengths of line with #6 suicide hooks bait the hooks with a small(1cm square)pieces of white cloth

take a slice of white bread and fold it into quarters and secure it with the elastic ring

you cast it out and the slice of bread attracts the mullet and they attack it eventually smashing it up and causing a bit of a feeding frenzy

the mullet grab the pieces of white cloth thinking its a bit of bread and get hooked

works best in still water

Thanks Jeff.

Another concern is how to make sure the mullet doesn't get away. Oh well, I can live with it......

Thanks again, everyone.

you rarely pull the hooks with this mothod because the elastic acts as a shock absorber

[EMP]

jeff f wrote:

EMP wrote:

jeff f wrote:

take a piece of elastic about 15 cm long and tie it into a circle

to the circle tie four short(10-15cm) lengths of line with #6 suicide hooks bait the hooks with a small(1cm square)pieces of white cloth

take a slice of white bread and fold it into quarters and secure it with the elastic ring

you cast it out and the slice of bread attracts the mullet and they attack it eventually smashing it up and causing a bit of a feeding frenzy

the mullet grab the pieces of white cloth thinking its a bit of bread and get hooked

works best in still water

Thanks Jeff.

Another concern is how to make sure the mullet doesn't get away. Oh well, I can live with it......

Thanks again, everyone.

you rarely pull the hooks with this mothod because the elastic acts as a shock absorber

Yeah mate, I figured that out. The band absorbs the pressure so theoretically it should protect the mullet lip and the line.

I've just made one, Jeff. In a couple of hours, I shall test it out. Thanks heaps, everyone. Thanks, Jeff.