Ed.

I wouldn't give up hope, you might just need to try to fish in different areas, because fish travel a lot, one day there may be heaps in one area and the next 4-5 days zilch, and if they are not there then no matter what bait you try you won't catch anything. You could always try adding burley to where you  are fishing but it would have to spread far and wide to attract fish to where you are,  this is assuming that they are hungry at that time, because you don't want them to nibble and pick at the bait, you want them to gulp it down like it is their last meal, and in most cases it will be.😁

I wouldn't give up hope, you might just need to try to fish in different areas, because fish travel a lot, one day there may be heaps in one area and the next 4-5 days zilch, and if they are not there then no matter what bait you try you won't catch anything. You could always try adding burley to where you  are fishing but it would have to spread far and wide to attract fish to where you are,  this is assuming that they are hungry at that time, because you don't want them to nibble and pick at the bait, you want them to gulp it down like it is their last meal, and in most cases it will be.😁

You and me both!😁

@Drop Bear , if you are still interested in these sort reels, BCF just sent me their latest catalogue and they still have them on special, the one I bought which is the SSV8500ll still at $199.00 and the non liveliner versions SSVI BX 9500 for $159 and the  SSVI BX 8500 for $199, but I suggest you check them out first physically as you said you don't like big reels.
https://www.bcf.com.au/p/penn-spinfisher-ssvi-live-liner-8500ll-spinning-reel/565063.html?cgid=BCF031005
https://www.bcf.com.au/p/penn-spinfisher-ssvi-bx-8500-spinning-reel/565056.html?cgid=BCF031005
https://www.bcf.com.au/p/penn-spinfisher-ssvi-bx-9500-spinning-reel/565057.html?cgid=BCF031005
 
 
 

Hi Drop Bear, this one does 18.1 Kg/40lb which for me is more than enough, the only way you are going to hold on to a 8' rod with the drag at max is if the rod is pointing semi horizontally towards the fish when it tries to swim back to the reel wall, but once you stop it in it's tracks then you can use the pump and wind technique. This is due to leverage being against you, so when you stop it's first run that is when your fun starts, and if you cant stop it then it's all over anyway as you will be bricked on the coral. So if you can stop it's first run then you have a fighting chance.  Holding a rod with that length  and 40lb drag in any sort of vertical position on it is almost impossible.  
The Spinfishers also come in larger sizes too but not in the Liveliner version. The biggest is the SSVI BX 10500 which does 22.6Kg and it is a huge reel but make no mistake the SSVI8500LL is also a large reel, hence the reason I had trouble finding a rod to suit it. If bottom bashing only then it's not that much of an issue but casting poppers long distance you will loose a lot of distance because of line slap.
There are other big reels depending on the model that put out much more drag such as the Shimano Twin Power reels 25-28Kg and the Okuma Makaira Spin 25-30Kg reels but they are 3 to 4 times the price.  This one I paid $199 for it from BCF which has a special on them at the moment (and free delivery if you spend more than $99.) and they were the only store I found that had stock unless I wanted to pay full retail.
I would have preferred to use an overhead as they are much nicer to fish with but the overhead reels with that much drag are huge, and they don't cast well at all IMO because of the size and weight of the spool plus over run issues, ie: Talica 12 & 16 (18kg), so this one for me is a cheap but better compromise. You need  long rods to get the distance but then you have leverage against you, and you will have to get a custom made long rod for an overhead.
 

@Drop Bear , if you are still interested in these sort reels, BCF just sent me their latest catalogue and they still have them on special, the one I bought which is the SSV8500ll still at $199.00 and the non liveliner versions SSVI BX 9500 for $159 and the  SSVI BX 8500 for $199, but I suggest you check them out first physically as you said you don't like big reels.
https://www.bcf.com.au/p/penn-spinfisher-ssvi-live-liner-8500ll-spinning-reel/565063.html?cgid=BCF031005
https://www.bcf.com.au/p/penn-spinfisher-ssvi-bx-8500-spinning-reel/565056.html?cgid=BCF031005
https://www.bcf.com.au/p/penn-spinfisher-ssvi-bx-9500-spinning-reel/565057.html?cgid=BCF031005
 
 
 

Someone mention walking the beach and stingers so I thought you talking about fishing and wading in the  the saltwater foreshore.

What about Crocs?  Yumm.. here come some nice fresh tourists!🤣

Haven't used one so can't comment on whether or not they are good, bad or indifferent however there seems to bit of issue with the specs on these reels, for what it is worth,  Okuma USA lists 14 different models of bait feeders just to make the choice harder, and their model numbers for their Ceymar model differ from the Australian ones too, so that could be a locality/sales thing. They use oiled felt drag material and not carbon but that isn't a bad thing necessarily for small reels.
And also  just too make it harder still there are a couple of resellers in Australia that have different drag and line capacity specs from each other as well for the same reels. So it would pay to find out exactly what the reel specs are for any models you are interested.  I would assume that someone didn't cut and paste the right info before putting it on their sales pages.
Either way no matter what specs you look at they seem to be a reasonable capacity reel with good drags and bearing count.  You should go to a few tackle shops and put them in your hands to see what they feel like before committing, if you don't like them you could always look at different brands as there are heaps of them out there.
https://www.okumafishing.com/en/category/Baitfeeder-Reels/A0109.html
Tackle Tactics as far as I know is apparently the official Okuma distributor in Oz,  lists just 2 baitfeeder models, the Ceymar and the Barbarian.
http://tackletactics.com.au/Okuma/Baitfeeder-Reels
Found these links so did a cut and paste.
https://www.fishingtackleshop.com.au/products/okuma-ceymar-reels-medium-sizes.html
Model Ceymar C-40 - size 40
Gear ratio: 4.5:1 Line capacity mono approx (diameter mm/metres): 0.25/300, 0.3/210, 0.35/155 Approx Weight: 283g Max drag: 9kg Line Retrieve cm per crank: 74cm Model Ceymar C-55- size 55
Gear ratio: 4.5:1 Line capacity mono approx (diameter mm/metres): 0.3/380, 0.35/280, 0.4/215 Approx Weight: 403g Max drag: 15kg Line Retrieve cm per crank: 76cm  
https://www.hookedonline.com.au/okuma-ceymar-baitfeeder-fishing-reel-spin-reel-wit
Model
Gear Ratio
Weight
Max Drag
Mono Capacity - LBS/YDS
Capacity - mm/Metres
CBF-40
5.0:1
283g
6kg
8/295,  10/250, 12/210
0.25/290, 0.30/200, 0.35/150
CBF-55
4.5:1
403g
9kg
12/310, 14/275, 16/220
0.30/305, 0.35/220, 0.40/170
CBF-65
4.8:1
586g
11kg
16/280, 20/235, 25/190
0.40/220, 0.45/175, 0.50/140
 
 
 
 

OOPs goofed up, the first one is not the bait feeder model so that is why the specs are different... My bad! I'll just shut up now! 🤐

Haven't used one so can't comment on whether or not they are good, bad or indifferent however there seems to bit of issue with the specs on these reels, for what it is worth,  Okuma USA lists 14 different models of bait feeders just to make the choice harder, and their model numbers for their Ceymar model differ from the Australian ones too, so that could be a locality/sales thing. They use oiled felt drag material and not carbon but that isn't a bad thing necessarily for small reels.
And also  just too make it harder still there are a couple of resellers in Australia that have different drag and line capacity specs from each other as well for the same reels. So it would pay to find out exactly what the reel specs are for any models you are interested.  I would assume that someone didn't cut and paste the right info before putting it on their sales pages.
Either way no matter what specs you look at they seem to be a reasonable capacity reel with good drags and bearing count.  You should go to a few tackle shops and put them in your hands to see what they feel like before committing, if you don't like them you could always look at different brands as there are heaps of them out there.
https://www.okumafishing.com/en/category/Baitfeeder-Reels/A0109.html
Tackle Tactics as far as I know is apparently the official Okuma distributor in Oz,  lists just 2 baitfeeder models, the Ceymar and the Barbarian.
http://tackletactics.com.au/Okuma/Baitfeeder-Reels
Found these links so did a cut and paste.
https://www.fishingtackleshop.com.au/products/okuma-ceymar-reels-medium-sizes.html
Model Ceymar C-40 - size 40
Gear ratio: 4.5:1 Line capacity mono approx (diameter mm/metres): 0.25/300, 0.3/210, 0.35/155 Approx Weight: 283g Max drag: 9kg Line Retrieve cm per crank: 74cm Model Ceymar C-55- size 55
Gear ratio: 4.5:1 Line capacity mono approx (diameter mm/metres): 0.3/380, 0.35/280, 0.4/215 Approx Weight: 403g Max drag: 15kg Line Retrieve cm per crank: 76cm  
https://www.hookedonline.com.au/okuma-ceymar-baitfeeder-fishing-reel-spin-reel-wit
Model
Gear Ratio
Weight
Max Drag
Mono Capacity - LBS/YDS
Capacity - mm/Metres
CBF-40
5.0:1
283g
6kg
8/295,  10/250, 12/210
0.25/290, 0.30/200, 0.35/150
CBF-55
4.5:1
403g
9kg
12/310, 14/275, 16/220
0.30/305, 0.35/220, 0.40/170
CBF-65
4.8:1
586g
11kg
16/280, 20/235, 25/190
0.40/220, 0.45/175, 0.50/140
 
 
 
 

OOPs goofed up, the first one is not the bait feeder model so that is why the specs are different... My bad! I'll just shut up now! 🤐

Haven't used one so can't comment on whether or not they are good, bad or indifferent however there seems to bit of issue with the specs on these reels, for what it is worth,  Okuma USA lists 14 different models of bait feeders just to make the choice harder, and their model numbers for their Ceymar model differ from the Australian ones too, so that could be a locality/sales thing. They use oiled felt drag material and not carbon but that isn't a bad thing necessarily for small reels.
And also  just too make it harder still there are a couple of resellers in Australia that have different drag and line capacity specs from each other as well for the same reels. So it would pay to find out exactly what the reel specs are for any models you are interested.  I would assume that someone didn't cut and paste the right info before putting it on their sales pages.
Either way no matter what specs you look at they seem to be a reasonable capacity reel with good drags and bearing count.  You should go to a few tackle shops and put them in your hands to see what they feel like before committing, if you don't like them you could always look at different brands as there are heaps of them out there.
https://www.okumafishing.com/en/category/Baitfeeder-Reels/A0109.html
Tackle Tactics as far as I know is apparently the official Okuma distributor in Oz,  lists just 2 baitfeeder models, the Ceymar and the Barbarian.
http://tackletactics.com.au/Okuma/Baitfeeder-Reels
Found these links so did a cut and paste.
https://www.fishingtackleshop.com.au/products/okuma-ceymar-reels-medium-sizes.html
Model Ceymar C-40 - size 40
Gear ratio: 4.5:1 Line capacity mono approx (diameter mm/metres): 0.25/300, 0.3/210, 0.35/155 Approx Weight: 283g Max drag: 9kg Line Retrieve cm per crank: 74cm Model Ceymar C-55- size 55
Gear ratio: 4.5:1 Line capacity mono approx (diameter mm/metres): 0.3/380, 0.35/280, 0.4/215 Approx Weight: 403g Max drag: 15kg Line Retrieve cm per crank: 76cm  
https://www.hookedonline.com.au/okuma-ceymar-baitfeeder-fishing-reel-spin-reel-wit
Model
Gear Ratio
Weight
Max Drag
Mono Capacity - LBS/YDS
Capacity - mm/Metres
CBF-40
5.0:1
283g
6kg
8/295,  10/250, 12/210
0.25/290, 0.30/200, 0.35/150
CBF-55
4.5:1
403g
9kg
12/310, 14/275, 16/220
0.30/305, 0.35/220, 0.40/170
CBF-65
4.8:1
586g
11kg
16/280, 20/235, 25/190
0.40/220, 0.45/175, 0.50/140
 
 
 
 

Hi Drop Bear, this one does 18.1 Kg/40lb which for me is more than enough, the only way you are going to hold on to a 8' rod with the drag at max is if the rod is pointing semi horizontally towards the fish when it tries to swim back to the reel wall, but once you stop it in it's tracks then you can use the pump and wind technique. This is due to leverage being against you, so when you stop it's first run that is when your fun starts, and if you cant stop it then it's all over anyway as you will be bricked on the coral. So if you can stop it's first run then you have a fighting chance.  Holding a rod with that length  and 40lb drag in any sort of vertical position on it is almost impossible.  
The Spinfishers also come in larger sizes too but not in the Liveliner version. The biggest is the SSVI BX 10500 which does 22.6Kg and it is a huge reel but make no mistake the SSVI8500LL is also a large reel, hence the reason I had trouble finding a rod to suit it. If bottom bashing only then it's not that much of an issue but casting poppers long distance you will loose a lot of distance because of line slap.
There are other big reels depending on the model that put out much more drag such as the Shimano Twin Power reels 25-28Kg and the Okuma Makaira Spin 25-30Kg reels but they are 3 to 4 times the price.  This one I paid $199 for it from BCF which has a special on them at the moment (and free delivery if you spend more than $99.) and they were the only store I found that had stock unless I wanted to pay full retail.
I would have preferred to use an overhead as they are much nicer to fish with but the overhead reels with that much drag are huge, and they don't cast well at all IMO because of the size and weight of the spool plus over run issues, ie: Talica 12 & 16 (18kg), so this one for me is a cheap but better compromise. You need  long rods to get the distance but then you have leverage against you, and you will have to get a custom made long rod for an overhead.
 

Hi Drop Bear, this one does 18.1 Kg/40lb which for me is more than enough, the only way you are going to hold on to a 8' rod with the drag at max is if the rod is pointing semi horizontally towards the fish when it tries to swim back to the reel wall, but once you stop it in it's tracks then you can use the pump and wind technique. This is due to leverage being against you, so when you stop it's first run that is when your fun starts, and if you cant stop it then it's all over anyway as you will be bricked on the coral. So if you can stop it's first run then you have a fighting chance.  Holding a rod with that length  and 40lb drag in any sort of vertical position on it is almost impossible.  
The Spinfishers also come in larger sizes too but not in the Liveliner version. The biggest is the SSVI BX 10500 which does 22.6Kg and it is a huge reel but make no mistake the SSVI8500LL is also a large reel, hence the reason I had trouble finding a rod to suit it. If bottom bashing only then it's not that much of an issue but casting poppers long distance you will loose a lot of distance because of line slap.
There are other big reels depending on the model that put out much more drag such as the Shimano Twin Power reels 25-28Kg and the Okuma Makaira Spin 25-30Kg reels but they are 3 to 4 times the price.  This one I paid $199 for it from BCF which has a special on them at the moment (and free delivery if you spend more than $99.) and they were the only store I found that had stock unless I wanted to pay full retail.
I would have preferred to use an overhead as they are much nicer to fish with but the overhead reels with that much drag are huge, and they don't cast well at all IMO because of the size and weight of the spool plus over run issues, ie: Talica 12 & 16 (18kg), so this one for me is a cheap but better compromise. You need  long rods to get the distance but then you have leverage against you, and you will have to get a custom made long rod for an overhead.
 

The last blanks I got that were made locally were the SnyderGlas  ones, I bought 3 of them just before they were bought  by Wilson?  One of them is a prototype and there were only 2 of them ever made and as far as I know the owner has the other one.
I had already visited the Rodworks site and had a look at the Calstars but they only come in a single piece blank so I would have had to work out how to fit some sort of removable handle for it. My existing Popper rod is a Calstar GF900H cut down from the bottom and a bit from the top to make it 8"1" and as I said I needed a 2 piece rod.
But anyway problem solved and I have success at last, went down to Tackle World Lawnton this morning and had a look at all their popping rods under $400 including the 2 Okuma Pressure Point rods they got in for me, so in total about 6-7 rods.  The lighter PE 6-8 Okuma I ruled out as the guides were out of position in regards to the backbone, (and you know what my thoughts are on that subject) the second Okuma PP-S-792XH PE-8 was fine and I short listed it to number 2 spot, and the one that was most suitable out of them all for my SSVI8500LL reel, and  which I bought is the Shimano Anthem SW Stick bait GT Spin 792 GTPE8-10 Lure weight 100-250gm.
Only negative issue to it is it doesn't have a rod gimble cap on the bottom, but that is an easy fix so will change it soonish when I get the part in after X'Mas. The RRP was $349 and got it for $325 so still within my price range. Now I can stop searching and relax 😁.

I think the most annoying one is a certain presenter who refers to themselves in the first person while presenting a fishing show, whether it be in a CREEK or at the COAST.  we know your name dude, just catch fish and shut up.
 
Trends that annoy me:
1) people who insist on wearing branded fishing shirts they paid big $$$ for.  you are paying to advertise a brand...
2) people who feel the need to cover their boat in copious amounts of stickers that they bought.  again, you are paying to advertise a brand just so you can look like the people on the TV... WHY
3) BUFFS - wearing a buff to cover your face but still rocking a baseball cap that covers next to nothing?
4) using gear that is way too light for the situation and refering to it as "sport".  I get it, from time to time you will hook something a lot larger than expected and have a long battle.  but doing this on purpose regularly leads to greater stress on the fish, greater chance of sharking and much greater chance of a bust off leaving a fish with a hook/lure hanging out of it's gob and more crap in the ocean.
5) people who believe that cutting the tail off a shark and letting it slowly bleed to death while trashing around is in any way, shape or form humane
 

The last blanks I got that were made locally were the SnyderGlas  ones, I bought 3 of them just before they were bought  by Wilson?  One of them is a prototype and there were only 2 of them ever made and as far as I know the owner has the other one.
I had already visited the Rodworks site and had a look at the Calstars but they only come in a single piece blank so I would have had to work out how to fit some sort of removable handle for it. My existing Popper rod is a Calstar GF900H cut down from the bottom and a bit from the top to make it 8"1" and as I said I needed a 2 piece rod.
But anyway problem solved and I have success at last, went down to Tackle World Lawnton this morning and had a look at all their popping rods under $400 including the 2 Okuma Pressure Point rods they got in for me, so in total about 6-7 rods.  The lighter PE 6-8 Okuma I ruled out as the guides were out of position in regards to the backbone, (and you know what my thoughts are on that subject) the second Okuma PP-S-792XH PE-8 was fine and I short listed it to number 2 spot, and the one that was most suitable out of them all for my SSVI8500LL reel, and  which I bought is the Shimano Anthem SW Stick bait GT Spin 792 GTPE8-10 Lure weight 100-250gm.
Only negative issue to it is it doesn't have a rod gimble cap on the bottom, but that is an easy fix so will change it soonish when I get the part in after X'Mas. The RRP was $349 and got it for $325 so still within my price range. Now I can stop searching and relax 😁.

Ah, okay. I only do that if I'm mimicking an old telephone.

The last blanks I got that were made locally were the SnyderGlas  ones, I bought 3 of them just before they were bought  by Wilson?  One of them is a prototype and there were only 2 of them ever made and as far as I know the owner has the other one.
I had already visited the Rodworks site and had a look at the Calstars but they only come in a single piece blank so I would have had to work out how to fit some sort of removable handle for it. My existing Popper rod is a Calstar GF900H cut down from the bottom and a bit from the top to make it 8"1" and as I said I needed a 2 piece rod.
But anyway problem solved and I have success at last, went down to Tackle World Lawnton this morning and had a look at all their popping rods under $400 including the 2 Okuma Pressure Point rods they got in for me, so in total about 6-7 rods.  The lighter PE 6-8 Okuma I ruled out as the guides were out of position in regards to the backbone, (and you know what my thoughts are on that subject) the second Okuma PP-S-792XH PE-8 was fine and I short listed it to number 2 spot, and the one that was most suitable out of them all for my SSVI8500LL reel, and  which I bought is the Shimano Anthem SW Stick bait GT Spin 792 GTPE8-10 Lure weight 100-250gm.
Only negative issue to it is it doesn't have a rod gimble cap on the bottom, but that is an easy fix so will change it soonish when I get the part in after X'Mas. The RRP was $349 and got it for $325 so still within my price range. Now I can stop searching and relax 😁.

The last blanks I got that were made locally were the SnyderGlas  ones, I bought 3 of them just before they were bought  by Wilson?  One of them is a prototype and there were only 2 of them ever made and as far as I know the owner has the other one.
I had already visited the Rodworks site and had a look at the Calstars but they only come in a single piece blank so I would have had to work out how to fit some sort of removable handle for it. My existing Popper rod is a Calstar GF900H cut down from the bottom and a bit from the top to make it 8"1" and as I said I needed a 2 piece rod.
But anyway problem solved and I have success at last, went down to Tackle World Lawnton this morning and had a look at all their popping rods under $400 including the 2 Okuma Pressure Point rods they got in for me, so in total about 6-7 rods.  The lighter PE 6-8 Okuma I ruled out as the guides were out of position in regards to the backbone, (and you know what my thoughts are on that subject) the second Okuma PP-S-792XH PE-8 was fine and I short listed it to number 2 spot, and the one that was most suitable out of them all for my SSVI8500LL reel, and  which I bought is the Shimano Anthem SW Stick bait GT Spin 792 GTPE8-10 Lure weight 100-250gm.
Only negative issue to it is it doesn't have a rod gimble cap on the bottom, but that is an easy fix so will change it soonish when I get the part in after X'Mas. The RRP was $349 and got it for $325 so still within my price range. Now I can stop searching and relax 😁.

The last blanks I got that were made locally were the SnyderGlas  ones, I bought 3 of them just before they were bought  by Wilson?  One of them is a prototype and there were only 2 of them ever made and as far as I know the owner has the other one.
I had already visited the Rodworks site and had a look at the Calstars but they only come in a single piece blank so I would have had to work out how to fit some sort of removable handle for it. My existing Popper rod is a Calstar GF900H cut down from the bottom and a bit from the top to make it 8"1" and as I said I needed a 2 piece rod.
But anyway problem solved and I have success at last, went down to Tackle World Lawnton this morning and had a look at all their popping rods under $400 including the 2 Okuma Pressure Point rods they got in for me, so in total about 6-7 rods.  The lighter PE 6-8 Okuma I ruled out as the guides were out of position in regards to the backbone, (and you know what my thoughts are on that subject) the second Okuma PP-S-792XH PE-8 was fine and I short listed it to number 2 spot, and the one that was most suitable out of them all for my SSVI8500LL reel, and  which I bought is the Shimano Anthem SW Stick bait GT Spin 792 GTPE8-10 Lure weight 100-250gm.
Only negative issue to it is it doesn't have a rod gimble cap on the bottom, but that is an easy fix so will change it soonish when I get the part in after X'Mas. The RRP was $349 and got it for $325 so still within my price range. Now I can stop searching and relax 😁.

The rod that I looked at was bound like it was an overhead in relation to the spine.

The rod that I looked at was bound like it was an overhead in relation to the spine.

Yes, when you put a bend on a rod blank, the blank wants to flick into a certain position and the backbone is at the top. So on a  spinning rod when you put a bend in the rod blank the backbone flicks to the top and then the rod maker lines up the guides  underneath as well as the reel seat, on a overhead rod, the rod maker  places the guides on the top of the blank where the backbone is as well as the reel seat.  So as an example, the effect  on an overhead is, if you were to put the guides side on to the backbone as in 90 degrees out, when you fight a fish the rod will want to twist out of your hand.
Think of the rod blank as your spine and rib cage, so when you bend, the spine is at the top of the bend, so on an overhead rod the guides go on top and on a spinning rod they go underneath. On the the rod that was 180 degrees out, the rod positioned it self  as it would normally  do with the spine on top and the spinning guides swung out to the top and not underneath where they should be.
I hope I have explained it well enough, it is easier to show someone rather than explain it.
Here is a link from Youtube, you may have to fiddle with the sound a bit.